Going In Search of Darkness with Director David Weiner

The most important thing about these movies is about who you were when you saw them, who you were with, what was going on in your life. The reason why we love these movies that are arguably just clear is because they're a souvenir of this time that is important to you.

Welcome to Hello.

Hey Sam. Hey, baby. Are you ready to go in search of darkness today?

I see what you did, huh? I live in search of darkness.

Well, that's why we get along so well. And oh, who do we have here with us today? Is it our friend David Weiner? How are you doing today?

I'm still searching. Uh it takes hours and hours and hours daily. But uh I'd rather search for nothing else.

Yeah. How's that going for you?

Tomorrow. I've searched for tomorrow at least once. It's going well. It's going well. I'm happy to be here with you guys. You guys are funny, so I'm gonna have to be if I get slightly obnoxious in an effort to raise myself to your level. Uh it's not being obnoxious, it's trying to, you know, be on your level.

Okay. Well, that's welcomed here, trust me.

So bring up Nirvana. Come as you are. You will fit in perfectly.

Excellent. Excellent. I like your your xenomorph xenomorph. Right? Samantha. And like Bonnie, I'm trying to. Yours is hidden.

It's Ghostface. We're we went neon today. We went neon pink today. We did. We didn't plan that. Yeah, no.

I didn't get the memo.

Um next time.

I went Amityville Horror today.

I do love Amityville Horror. Right across from me, I have a VHS copy of Amityville 2, The Possession, and over there I have Amityville the VH. Oh yeah, I'm on a whole kick.

Wow, excellent. Very, very oh yeah.

I love Amityville horror. I actually have a couple bits about it, just because first of all, the remake is fun. Ryan Reynolds has no shirt, like no notes.

Right.

Like it. Wonderful. Um, but the first one, it always makes me laugh every time I think about how Marie Hamilton is the priest who doesn't believe the house is haunted, and the mare in Jemasi doesn't believe there's a shark in the water. I love 70s horror. There's so much crossover. My cat is having a meltdown right now. Can you hear her? Yeah, but it's okay. So here's what happened. We have French doors, and my boyfriend like accidentally let her out and didn't realize it. And so now she knows that the wall opens. So now she sits in front of the door just saying, I know it opens. I know it opens. She's like, she's going full church from Pet Cemetery, but she just has a lot to say. She's really like, she I didn't, she's not even back from the dead. This is just who she is.

Oh, okay. Well, imagine what happens when she dies and then she comes back and she wants to get back in through the.

I don't write. Ooh, ooh, write that script right now.

She'll have to edge out those Salem Slot kids who just hang there, you know, scratching at them.

Right? I she would though.

Sam, I'm feeling like David might need to do a type five on your show sometime. The show. Honestly.

The caffeine, you know, kicked in, so it's not really me. It's my coffee speaking.

Oh, we can call your Oh my gosh, I almost I almost used my Portland Starbucks mug. Anyway, we can call your set in search of punchlines.

Oh, hey.

Yeah.

I like that.

That'd be really good. Thank goodness this is a horror comedy show. Otherwise, I don't know what we'd be doing right now. Otherwise, it'd be a little weird. It's more fun. It is. I think so. I think so. So what's your favorite horror comedy then?

Oh, um, oh boy. This is when the guy who has done 25 hours of movies where each movie has 75 movies. I'm like, you know, dot dot dot dial tone. Uh I have so many, that so many favorites, that which is why it's really, really, really tough. You know, I mean, I could just say Ghostbusters, but I don't think that's a horror movie. I could say that it counts Saturday the 14th, but that really isn't true. But uh in terms of the funniest one. Um, I it would have to be the obvious. What is obvious to me is young Frankenstein. Because uh but no, see, I'm I'm already arguing with myself. This is how it works. I take that back. It's uh Abbott and Costello and meet Frankenstein, really.

So also on VHS behind me right now.

Yeah, I would say between those two. And I would I have to give a tremendous shout out to Abbott and Costello and Mead Frankenstein because when I was a kid, I was a monster kid. Uh I was a 70s kid and an 80s teen. So I was a total analog kid. And so my mom, uh as a 70s kid or a Gen Xer, you are usually a latchkey kid, which means you either just, you know, like your cat, you just open the door and then, you know, I meow if I want to be let out. But ultimately, my mom would take me to the local library on a Saturday where they had matinees that they showed on 16 millimeter and they projected it in their little sort of media room. And I used to see movies there all the time. And so, and of course, she could just drop me off there and do the errands. And of course, before or after that, I'd also go like to look at all the Crestwood books and learn about all the monsters. And I lived that life reading famous monsters of online magazine and so on and so forth. But I remember sitting in front of you know, sitting down for Abbott and Costello and meet Frankenstein, and I knew Abbott and Costello from repeats on TV in terms of my world, which was a small black and white television. But ultimately, I did not know that there was more than Frankenstein. So here you have Baylor Legosi, who's behind you right now. Baylor Legosi, you got the you got uh Lonchaney Jr. is the Wolfman, you know, uh Frankenstein, which I did not realize was Boris Karloff until, you know, uh Glenn Strange. I did not realize it was him until many, many moons later. And I just did not know that you were allowed to do this kind of mashup and have it be scary and hilarious at the same time. And it really rocked my world uh and and opened my eyes.

That was actually the film for me, also with my dad. Like it was kind of a special evening. It was a big weekend, special weekend trip for me and my dad was we would go up to the local video store, you know, and you can walk into a room with actual hard copy VHSs that you could hold in your hand. It was magical. So we would go, and I wanted the same tape every single time. Aben and Castellamy Frankenstein. And then we would go to 7-Eleven, we would get grandma's chocolate cookies, and then I would watch the movie and eat cookies, and that was the greatest night of my week. And we did it every weekend to the point where I probably sh my dad should have just bought a copy. I don't know why he didn't just have a copy. It was just more like the fun night of going and looking at everything, pretending. It's like your favorite thing on the menu. I'm gonna look at other stuff, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm gonna go.

Listen, macaroni and cheese every night is something I would still do if I hadn't had you know, if my metabolism hadn't stopped, you know, cleaning a long time ago.

I don't do the grandma's cookies anymore either, unfortunately. But we smell them.

We smell them and pretend as we eat a bite of broccoli.

Yeah. And the other thing that'll say is are you familiar with a place called Old Town Music Hall in El Segundo? No, can we? It's a beautiful theater. It's like an old silent film theater that's beautifully restored. There's a massive organ, like a Wurlitzer organ, and they do all kinds of incredible screenings. And I've had the pleasure of introducing a few. I got to introduce Halloween and Dracula and all of those. Um, but when I saw uh Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein on the calendar, I'm like, oh my goodness, I have to come to that. And Costello's daughter was there. A lot of his family were there, and they were just the loveliest people, and they shared stories, and it was just such a magical event to see this film. I mean, what year did it come out?

1950s I should again 58, 56.

Sounds about right. Yeah, like from 56. Yeah. With like a whole new generation of people watching it on a big screen, laughing at the jokes. I mean, how incredible is that. Yeah.

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Samantha, I know that you, you know, you are the grandchild of a famous individual. Uh I was thinking about people who I've met who are the grandchildren of famous people. And I got to, when I worked at Famous Monsters, I was the editor of Famous Monsters magazine for two years in 2015 and 2016. I got to become friendly with and work with Lynn Legosi, who is Della Legosi's granddaughter. And of course Bella Legosi Jr., who was her dad, I got to hang out with him a bunch as well. But I also had an opportunity to at the Alex Theater in Glendale when I was with Famous Monsters. I can't remember what it was just a night with I think they played Son of Frankenstein. But ultimately I I got to be on stage and do a Q ⁇ A with Bella Lugosi Jr. and Sarah and Sarah Carloff talking about their dads. And I remember, and this was like Halloween, right before Halloween, and I was just like, pinch me, I am this is yeah, heaven for me. But I I just thought, how cool is it that this legend of my childhood, I get to be like, you know, with Lil Lugosi, where she gives me a call and it's like, hey David, you know, you know, can you help me with this? Or I have like your perspective on that, or let you know, whatever it was. Uh I was just like, what what an honor and how cool is that? Because I get to talk to a lot of famous folks just for my job. And I get to work with a lot of relatives of famous folks as well for my job. But what's important to me is because even though the kid in me is starstruck, I get to see the human beings who are just cool folks that I'd want to just hang out with and have a coffee or a drink with. And 99% of them are just super cool human beings. So it's kind of fun.

I actually have a famous kid story, and it's how Samantha and I met. We met through a documentary that I worked on, and one of the other producers was friends with Samantha. And one of the people in that documentary was Victoria Price. And that was really cool. And then uh a couple summers ago, we were at Midsummer Scream in Long Beach and she was there. And I happened to be wearing my t-shirt with Vincent Price, but it said Vincent the Vampire Slayer from my favorite horror movie, which is The Last Man on Earth. And I used to watch that every year on Halloween with my dad when I was growing up. But I got to meet her and I'm wearing the shirt. I said, I swear I didn't plan this, but I was working on the documentary, and I said, like, this movie was such a big part of my childhood with your dad, and my dad's no longer around. So it's just really cool that like this movie with your dad was such a big part of my childhood. So, like, it was a cool moment. But this is like the weirdest, wildest world that we live in where we get to meet all these incredible people and have those human moments. It's so cool. Truly, truly.

But in terms of the grandchild connection, uh, I did a movie, I used to work on full moon entertainment movies, and I moved on, worked on a movie called it was called Dangerous Toys, and it ended up being called Demonic Toys. Uh and it's I know demonic toys. No way.

Yeah, of course.

Wait, you know it. Sorry.

Well, uh like yeah, I mean, okay. Um in the biblical sense, Samantha.

And then I was like, Whoa, did that just get weird? I didn't mean it like that.

What you do with full moon entertainment is your business. Um but ultimately Robert Mitchum's grandson, Bentley Mitchum, was one of the stars of the movie. And I remembered, you know, that was Bentley, and then I'm like, well, Bentley Mitchum. And then I'm like, wait a minute. And then I I I put two and two together because I didn't have IMDB back those days, you know. But uh he was super cool, but he would just talk about like partying with his grandfather.

So that's fine.

It's very cool to have that kind of stuff. I worked on some really cool movies early on where I was, you know, just on set, and uh I wish I had IMDB back then to do the proper research because I just you just didn't have that. Like I did I worked on a movie with uh Samantha Eger, and and so and I was just like, Samantha Eger, is she famous? And someone said, Yeah, she was in Dr. Doolittle. And I'm like, Oh yeah, I kind of remember that. But no one said to me she was in the brood, she worked with Cronenberg, you know, among many other things that she had done, because then I would have just been like, you know, tell me more, Samantha.

Well, guess what? I was named after her.

Really?

I was yes, my mom, she's the British red-headed beautiful actress, right? My mom just was so enamored with her that that's where she got the idea. And then many, many years ago, I was I was waiting tables a long time ago, and she came in and I was like, Oh, oh my gosh. So, of course, I was like, that's my table. Back off, she's mine. And I got real excited, and I like politely told her that story, and she was so nice. Oh, she was so she would be.

She would be she was lovely.

She was like, really? I'm like, yeah, I remember my mom telling me that.

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Sure. Well, for the uninitiated, uh, I do these documentaries called In Search of Darkness. And uh, I don't know, your audience may or I I never make assumptions. I try not to, at least. But uh, there are these long-form documentaries where I did I started with the 80s, where you go the entire decade, so 1980 through 1989, where uh laundry list of films, but we get everyone who worked on the films or who are famous fans of the films to talk all about them. And it's a big celebration of the era. In between, there are these larger context chapters. But we did three of them for the 80s. I just did two for the 90s, part one and part two, where we divided the decade in half. In fact, in Search of Darkness 95 to 99 is currently on Shudder and uh Search of Darkness part three, which is in the 80s, but the super dusty bin of the video store shelves to create the video stuff. That's really what that covers with a lot of eclectic titles mixed with some big ones as well that we didn't ultimately get to until the third one. But up next, I am now going to be doing in Search of Darkness 70s. And uh very excited about that. And what we're gonna be doing is what we we're an indie company, creator VC, and we do crowdfunding. It's not a Kickstarter, but we do crowdfund this. And one thing that we love to do is we really love to have the backers, the audience, the horror fans, vocally get involved. And whenever we're starting any project, the first thing we like to do is put out a survey, put out the synopsis. Pretty much a validation of the concept. And I, it's not editing by committee, which I used to think until I realized how beneficial it was to basically mine the hive mind of horror. Uh, I don't claim to be the most knowledgeable person in the room. In fact, I'm probably the least, or at least I'm humble about it. And so it's really, really, really, really, really, really nice to get all these people saying, Yes, here's the the great ones. We know Amedevil Horror, we know Dawn of the Dead, we know the you know, the Shinings 1980, we know, you know, Carrie and The Exorcist, but you know, here's Shockwaves, the the zombie aquatic Nazi horror movie. You gotta put that in, and you know, random eclip eclectic things, you know, is a racerhead horror. What do you think? I will send people currently to our socials at 80s horror doc 80s 80s horror doc. We're on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter X, um, we're even on Blue Sky, even though it's a bit crickets there for us. And find us and you'll find links to be able to uh fill out the survey. And I'd love to hear from everyone and share the ideas of what your favorite 70s horror movies are, but also if you have ideas for chapters that you really, really would like to see. I list a bunch of potential chapters and what they would be about, but you guys ultimately get to vote for it. I will now know if you say this is one of my favorite chapters that I hope you do. I'll have the proof in the pudding with a little pie chart and a little, you know, the results of the survey.

That's awesome. Yeah. I'll make sure we have all the links in our show notes so we'll make sure everybody can find you. And as a proud backer of the 1995 to 1999, I'm really excited to watch it. I actually found your stuff through one of my friends who listens to our show who gave me the first half of the 90s. She got an extra copy and was like, you have to check this out. And I was watching it and going, yeah. And so she was telling me about it. And I said, This is amazing because she knew I worked on a horror documentary and that I would like this. And I met her through not horror, through voiceover, my day job. So it's just a weird how we all find each other in this big, small world. But yeah, it's it's fascinating to watch, just to see stuff that I had never even heard of, like showcased and featured and how in depth everything really is. It's so impressive. And I'm not just saying that because you know, you're my friend that I've known for a couple of months. But truly, even before I met you, I went, holy shit, this is so impressive! And how in depth everything is. It's just it's incredible. Thank you.

I also want to say real quick before I forget, if you have two be, which everyone does, you can get the first in search of darkness, that's on there. And also I did one for 80s sci-fi, and that's called In Search of Tomorrow, and that's on there as well. So uh, if you want a taste of that, you could check those out as well.

I want to check that out because that seems like it's gonna be incredible. Tomorrow.

Fun fact, I shot a good amount of that during the pandemic. And in order to be able to get the job done, to sit with talent, but also, you know, a lot of the talent is getting older. It doesn't matter what age you are, but you know, they were getting older, and I just did not want to put anyone in jeopardy. So we shot a lot outside in my backyard because it was the only it was the only environment where I could control the environment and I could use it anytime I wanted. And the sound in my neighborhood is not too, you know, I I had to battle tweeting birds and occasional targeting guy. But for the most part, it's not so bad. But my running joke with my uh colleagues is that I need to put a plaque either in the backyard or I joke I should just put it in the bathroom. This bathroom has seen, you know, Adrian Barbeau, John Dykstra, you know, you should, you know, um Will Wheaton, Alex Winter. They've all they've all used my toilet.

That's incredible. That's a golden toilet right there. That's pretty. Exactly.

You can expense that, can't you? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, uh, there's a limit in the flushes that I could write off, you know, but uh 25.

Yeah. I'm so curious, like in terms of collecting footage and research and figuring out how to edit it down. What do you think was a bigger beast? 70s, 80s, or 90s?

Well, start the 70s, and so the biggest, as you know, or you will find out, I'm incapable of a short and sweet answer. But ultimately, it's because because it's not just one thing. I mean, all these movies are beasts. So by the time I've gotten to the 90s, it's definitely I mean, I got to like a real formula that I liked by In Search of Darkness part three, but all of these are unwieldy because when you're covering a decade, decade or even a half decade, you think about hundreds and hundreds and hundreds, if not in the thousands, of movies came out that are pure horror or or horror adjacent. And so it comes down to a whole alchemy of figuring out which movies I want to put in. And even then, it's sort of a fluid, not in concrete list because when I sit down with the people that I've I've reached out to to sit down and talk about their movies or talk about these movies just because they love them, they will inevitably, and I encourage them to talk about, oh but you know, here I could talk about Halloween, but I'd rather talk about you know Manchester Morgue, you know. I'm gonna get in the title wrong. But uh, you know, obscure you know, let's talk about, you know, it's alive, whatever it is. And they'll they'll dive into it and their passion for it. And it's I I'm I now am faced with I have too much for this year. Something's gotta give. I've already put a segment together and it's great. But the passion, the delivery, the eclectic nature of this choice, I gotta include that now too. But then by nature of the structure of this stuff, you end up the reason why I do these long-form documentaries, which are all four, four and a half, five, the last two or six, because I I got away with it. Even that it's too long and it's not enough. And people say I loved it, it's great, but why didn't you do X? Why didn't you do Y? You know? Um so what is the hardest part in wrangling all this stuff? It's really not about getting, you know, I have these uh amazing editors, you know, Samuel Wade did the first three, Alex Townley did the last two in terms of the In Search of Darkness movies. They're phenomenal and they have great instincts and great insight. But ultimately it comes down to who can I get who has a great delivery and enthusiasm. And they don't have to be incredibly knowledgeable. They could just have a great story, anecdote, insight. It's really just about the celebration. That's the stuff I need to wrangle. But the hardest part of it is really in the beginning. And I'm struggling now with the seventies because there's so So much stuff. So much stuff. Way more than you would think. And so it's like, oh yeah, yeah. Well, I could I could easily just list top 30 top films, and that's easy to start with. But then after that, all I can think of is what I'm omitting. And all I can think of is, you know, I thought I saw so many films because I did. And I realized that my knowledge is really so limited because there's so much more where I'm like, I haven't even heard of this one. And I don't want it to slip through my fingers if it's really, really great. So there's lots of research. There's lots of I have the greatest homework in the world. I watch these movies. Tubi has been great, or you know, just a lot of these things where I could just pop it on, even YouTube, you know, a lot of things that aren't on physical release. So you gotta track it down. And I have to go through it and decide is this something that people would love champion or want to discover, or is it a waste of everyone's time? Wow. And that's completely subjective. Completely subjective. Because you two both talked about happy memories, talking about seeing movies with your family members or important loved ones. And all these documentaries, if they're about anything, it's not necessarily about curating a list. It's not necessarily about learning about how these things were made or how they fit in the business and the zeitgeist at the time. The most important thing about these movies is about who you were when you saw them, who you were with, what was going on in your life. And the reason why we love these movies that arguably are just clip fests is because they're a souvenir of this time that was important to you for whatever personal reason. So we don't say this movie is good and that movie's bad. We all just even playing field, and if you connect with it, that's great. If you don't know about it, you learn about it. If you just aren't interested, we're on to the next one in two minutes. Right. That's kind of the ultimate raisin d'etra for these documentaries, at least in my opinion.

Right. That was I mean, that was extremely well said, and I couldn't agree more. That makes so much sense. Because it is, it's about we remember things so clearly because we have an emotional attachment to it.

It's all about that connection. That's why we're all here is because we are so emotionally connected to these movies, whether it be through however we found them, however we got into this. It's that emotional connection, and that's what keeps us here. That's why we're all here right now. We're all wearing this stuff. Hey Sam, what are you doing on uh April 25th?

Oh, I will be going to the Sugar and Moon Market at the lodge in Sierra Madre.

Wow, that's oddly specific. But actually sounds like a lot of fun. What are you doing there?

Okay, so I'm gonna be picking up some sage butter from our friend and sponsor, the mountain crone.

Oh, that sounds awesome. Can I come with?

Yada. I already got you a ticket, B. Sweet!

Well, that's kind of spooky. You read my mind. Oh, that's funny. I'm actually gonna see her at Matlow Brewery Company. Whew, try saying that five times fast. On May 9th to pick up some restock lip balms. Because with all this talking we do, my lips are gonna look like the Cripkeepers if I don't hydrate them.

I like the Cripkeepers lips. Um, hey, can you pick me up on the way over?

Yeah, sure. I'll go grab my keys. If you could interview anybody, anybody, anybody, who would it be? Like it dead or alive ghost of whatever. Like who would your dream interview be? People have asked you that before, I'm sure.

Probably Bonnie and Samantha, maybe.

I I was gonna tell him to say that, but I didn't think he was gonna say it.

Yeah.

Checks in the mail.

It would have to be like, you know, Alfred Hitchcock or Orson Wells, or, you know, I mean, in the horror zone, uh, the name that comes up maybe the most of people who just there's no way I can get to him is probably Wes Craven, you know? Um one of the cool things was uh I've gotten to know Heather Langenkamp over the years. Going back to actually when I used to work at Entertainment Tonight, that's a whole other fun story of serendipity. Um but she talks so lovingly about Wes Craven. Uh and actually when Wes Craven passed away, I already had start done stuff with her for Entertainment Tonight. And I uh so for when I was now with Famous Monsters, uh, I hesitated at first, but I reached out to her and I just said, if you want to write some personal note about, you know, testimonial to Wes when he passed, you know, if you're interested in doing that, and I totally understand if you don't want to do it. She's like, I'd like to do that. And so I put that in Famous Monsters, and that was really cool.

That's awesome. She sounds really warm and lovely. She really does.

She's very, very, she's very maternal.

It's really yeah, that's the vibe.

In a great way, in a great way, not in like mom tells you what to do, but she's got a maternal vibe to her. And uh she's been super, super cool. Uh, I mean, I once had lunch with her where I was ultimately asking her if she wanted to go to this thing called the Silver Scream Fest that we were doing for famous monsters, and it was up in Santa Rosa. Actually, I'm gonna even change my story, but you know, I I would she's like, Well, let's let's scheme. How can we get Robert up there, Robert Englin up there? You know, wait, we gotta go through the wives, let's talk through, you know, uh, smart lady. You know, but she was great and she would talk about uh but I remember I tell long stories, but um, when I was with Entertainment Tonight, Star Trek Into Darkness was doing a junket where we got to go to Bad Robot and hang out. And we went from room to room where we talked to costume designers and the makeup guys, and you know, Michael Giaccino, you know, they every and JJ, Abrams, and the cast, and it was a very cool special treat for a small amount of journalists, and I felt very privileged. It was super cool. And so we're we're working, sorry, we we go to this room where they're doing this sort of dog and pony show on the makeup effects and Spox ears and stuff like that. And in the corner at a computer, when they'd say this and then they'd show a slide up there, I'm like, anyone else not here see Nancy in the corner from Nightmare and Elm Street, you know? And and there was Heather. And so afterwards I went up to her uh and I just said, Heather? She's like, Yeah. I know I didn't know her, I knew she was Heather Langencamp. I'm like, uh as opposed to Heather Langencamp. But uh but uh she's like, Yeah. And I'm like, what are you doing here? You know, do you work a bad robot? You know, oh, she's like, Oh, uh, my husband, yeah, he did the makeup effects for this, and I'm just helping out, you know. I thought I'd do the the PowerPoint for him while he he shows everybody. And uh and so I said, you know, I work for entertainment tonight, and I know there's an Elm Street anniversary coming up. I would love to sit down with you on camera if you'd be interested, you know, and just talk about it. She's like, Yeah, I'd love to do that. That'd be very, very cool. And so I get in touch with her and we're figuring it out. And she's like, Well, I was thinking it would be really cool to do the interview in front of the Elm Street House, which is in Hollywood. You know, I thought that would be really cool. I'm like, that would be great. That'd be great. She's like, you know, do you mind if I ask Robert if if he wants to join in?

Oh, yeah, please don't do that.

And like, twist my arm. Okay, and so next thing I know, I find myself exclusively, because this wasn't for anybody else. The two of them are in front of the house doing an interview for the first time since they last shot in front of the house. Talking together uh about, you know, and reminiscing and so forth. And so and and and Robert England, he brought his wife along and his Freddie glove, and they took some Christmas photos. They're like, Oh, we always like to come to the front of the house and take Christmas photos. So we're gonna take a couple photos as well. Oh, incredible. So, my big lesson here for anyone is uh if you see someone and you want to go talk to them, don't hesitate. Just be nice and cool. And you never know, you never know. But I could have just said, holy crap, that's Heather Langencamp. All right, I gotta go over and leave now. Right. I I took the opportunity to just satisfy my genuine curiosity of why the hell she was standing in the corner there, you know, in Cognito in plain sight. And she's turned out to be a super cool person. And when I ultimately in Search of Darkness, I reached out to her again and I said, Would you be interested? And she said, David, I'll do it on one condition. Because I was no one knew what this documentary was. I could have gone straight to the trash heap and never been released, but she was nice enough to do it. And she said, I will do it, but you have to promise me one thing. You will not call me and the other women scream queens, and you will allow us to talk about how you know the final girl concept was something that even that at that point some people liked being called a final girl, some people not. But she just said, I just want to explain that we're you know the chief protagonist against the villain, and it's not a scream queen, you know, we're we're main characters and it's not about gender, and it was very, very cool. And I'm just like, You got it, I'm happy to do that because I'm I'm in line with that, of course. Yeah, hell yeah.

And closing out our show today, Heather, get over here.

All right, so the moral is if we see Heather at a convention and Samantha and I go up to her and we're like, Heather, could you adopt us?

Maybe she'd probably be like moking, mocking.

Okay, that's all I need. That's all I need. Yeah, I'm good.

That's she has a great she's a great documentary that she did herself called I Am Nancy. And uh I've heard of that. It might be on Tubi, but it's really you could find it if you look. And it's really good. And it's about her, you know, her point of view in the Elm Street franchise, and it's really, really great.

Well, I know what I'm doing tonight.

Yeah, Tubi. She gave me, she gave me the uh I rarely I like to take pictures with people, but I'm not a big autograph person. Uh she gave me a copy of it, and she's just like, Do you want me to sign it? And I was like, Okay, sure. Yeah. She's like, okay. She wrote, David, you owe me$10. Heatherline.

That's a personal, that's a note from a friend. That's not even an autograph at that point. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome.

That's just your friend writing out a card for you. But I I'm I would like to think that this was a bit of your therapy today. I think so.

It is. It is. I mean, talking to Samantha is sometimes my therapy, but you, it just took it to a whole new level. So thank you for that.

Yeah, agree. I'm not even going to therapy today. I'm good.

Yeah. Well, this has been therapeutic for me as well.

Oh, oh. I'm so glad. Thank you so much for joining us and just for being here and for doing kick-ass work that we can nerd out about on our show for other horror nerds. Like we we really appreciate it. Yeah. And if you ever want to come back again, please do.

Down the road, down the road, when we're doing uh we're doing the pre-sale for In Search of Darkness 70s, or we're doing the final sale, uh, I'd be happy to come on again and uh crow about 70s horror.

That would be great.

And then get really tangential of it.

My friend Danny was producing a documentary on this place called Spooky World, which is the first ever whore-themed amusement park. And they were gonna be doing a panel about it. Danny calls me and he says, Hey, so a bunch of us are going out to Buco to Bebo before the panel. Oh, and Kane Hodder is coming with us. Do you want to join us? That's Jason Voorhees, you guys. That is the actual Jason Voorhees. I said, I'm sorry, we're having meatballs with Jason. Yeah, I can make it. We get there, and Kane shows up late and he says, Sorry, I'm late, everybody. My Uber driver got a ticket on the way over. Now, I had what was either the best moment of my life or the worst. Because I say, Oh no, I hope she didn't get in Uber trouble. And he looks at me, holding a knife, and says, Please tell me you're not a comedian. I said, Oh, but I am.

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