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Holy crap, we're back. We said we'll be right back, and we actually were right back. We were right back. It's because we're final girls. That's how that works. That's the rules. That's the rules.

I'll be Lori Strode and you'll be, I would say Helen Shivers, but that didn't work out.

Uh I mean Buffy's kind of a final girl. She died a couple times and kept coming back. Yeah. I think that's appropriate. Yeah. Also, uh, okay, I'll let you be Lori Strode. I love you enough to forfeit that one.

Thank you.

Yeah, you're welcome. You're welcome. I'm I'm very kind. What can I say? Does anybody else just need to collectively scream today? Because I know I do.

That's my that's my primal scream is Potitos. I mean, you know how like some people stress eat? I stress VHS. Hey Ryan, let's put it on a bumper sticker. I stress VHS. So I've been going to a little hole in the wall kind of stores where you can find old school VHS. And it's cool now. Nostalgia is really picking up in the 90s or back in the world of horror, at least. And so it's really hard to find these really cool old school horror tapes. I found two different versions of Halloween. I found The Howling. I found Amity Bell 2, The Possession, I found The Blair Witch. I found Pet Cemetery 1 and 2. And I almost bought a book copy of Pet Cemetery, like OG, the first print. And literally, when you opened it, there was a newspaper clipping from the film, like when it came out. Anyway, we actually plugged in the VHS player, the VCR, that I found at a Goodwill. Thank you. Uh-huh. I'm a crazy person. And we put on Halloween. It was so cool. But it was really, really cool to watch the VHS of Halloween because it has that old school, it's not a 4K, it's not brand new. It looks like the 90s. It makes you think of when you first saw it when you were a kid. But we have a decent soundbar. So it looked all vintage, but it sounded really good. And that was a cool ass experience.

10 out of 10, highly recommend, nerds. The first time I saw Halloween was on a VHS tape. So you're making me so nostalgic right now.

There's something so magical about watching the previews on a VHS tape before the now our feature presentation. And it has coupons in there, like straight up from like 1997. Like, would you like to send$5 to get the next Disney movie soon to be released? Snow White.

We didn't know how good we had it. No, no, we did not.

First of all, my first scary movie ever was It. I was eight. That actually traumatized me. 100%.

Yeah.

I can watch it now and still appreciate how absolutely terrifying Tim Curry is as Pennywise. 100%.

And even just the new It movies like that clown hiding in a fucking storm drain is like terrifying. Sorry.

100%. Because now we all look at the storm drain when we walk by. If I see a little paper boat going by a drain, I am not going near that storm drawn. And I'm the boat that knows that that's not a real monster.

I feel like you and horror are just a perfect couple together. No offense to you and Isaac, but was horror your first love? Because that would make sense.

I yeah. Yeah, I would say so. I'm trying to think what my first love would be. But horror, I mean, Pennywise was up there, even though it was a little abusive for a while because he was just really scary. He just fucking ruined my whole life for a while. I was so afraid of him. Now, I don't know. I kind of like that guy.

Yeah, you get older and he's just a silly little guy, the Tim Curry one, especially. I don't get the silliness as much from Skarsgard, who was great, but not as much of the silly, kind of playful, wacky guy like Tim Curry's pennywise was.

Really? See, I think it's the opposite. And I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. Yeah. But Tim Curry was just like a freaking creepy human dude that made it even more horrifying for me personally. I think the Skarsgard version is way more like playful, animated, cartoonish in a way, which I know is more accurate to the book, I believe. And I don't think either one is right or wrong. I just personally am way more afraid of the Tim Curry version. He was masterful in that. Yeah. 100%.

There was a different podcast where they talked about those movies in the miniseries with Tim Curry, and they said Tim Curry played it like a frustrated, tired drunk. Yeah. Like he just was constantly a little bit out of breath and just like, all right, I'm gonna get you. Like it was, and so like there's something inherently scary about that anyway.

Yeah, this was what made it very human-like, I think.

My scariest movie was because of the time that I saw it and who I saw it with. It was when I was 12 and I saw the exorcist with my mom. And my mom grew up Catholic, was baptized and all that, and I'm watching it with her, and it's the scene with Reagan on the bed where the bed is flipping up and down and on the corners, and my mom just looks at me and goes, I've seen that happen in real life. And then back at the movie, and I was like, Oh my god, what? Like that was so scary to me. I've never forgotten that. And like how well that movie was done. I think the fact that we're still talking about it, it's been 50 years.

I mean, yeah, well, and those old ones, I kind of find that like the practical effects look better and work better in a strange way. We like we can do you know, like like The Evil Dead. We watched The Evil Dead not too long ago, and I had never seen it. And you know, you can tell it's like clay and all this stuff, but it fucking works, you know? It's crazy.

Yeah, it's so much better. That's why I think the exorcist has held up the way that it has.

Yeah.

Because it's so real. Yeah. Oh my gosh, it's so well done. I saw that when I was about maybe 10, 12. My mom, we rented it from Blockbuster, and my mom was like, Okay, I'm gonna go off the bowling league or whatever she was doing. Wait for me. And I said, Okay, mom. As soon as the door slammed, I was watching it. But I think because I had already seen a lot of scary films by then, I was a little brat and I was like, oh, when does it get scary? Get to the pea soup, you know? Because I didn't understand like the beauty of the slow build and all of the terrifying things that happened leading up to it. I was a kid, I was just a brat. So rewatching it as an adult, I'm like, wow, this is masterfully done. Yeah. Wow. Do you know what I just found on VHS the other day and I was like, oh, mine, I turned into full-on golem. Gollum? Ooh, precious. Do you remember nothing but trouble with Dan Aykroyd and John Candy and Demi Moore? Oh my god. And then you rewatched it as an adult, you're like, wait a minute, what was wrong with me?

We had no business watching some of those things when we were little.

Return to Oz? Scary AF. I love that movie. Brilliant. The Wheelers. Oh my god.

See, they're scary, but I feel like the heads in the cabinets at Madame Mombies were scarier than the Wheelers. The Wheelers, you just go on stairs, they can't chase you.

You just go on stairs. You just go on solved. Problem solved. If I wind up in a horror film, I'm following Bonnie.

You just they can't go because they're little wheels. So you just go upstairs. Problem solved. Go in water. Problem solved. Right.

No, right. You'd be like the wise one who's like, oh, I'm sorry. You guys want to run into the woods where there's a known serial killer? Fuck no. Oh, what's that? You want to go upstairs and take a shower real quick? Fuck no. Oh, what's that? You want to split up? Nope.

That's just that is the long and short of it. That is what we do. This is why we are final girls. Who do you think is the most evil Disney villain?

Oh, that's a great question. I mean, I'm trying to think of like who was evil just for the sake of being evil. I mean, they all had ulterior motives. Yeah. I'm trying to think of if there was any that was just, no, I'm just an asshole. You know, I don't know.

Um because they're all, yeah, they're all so good. And they're part of the reason why we like the movies is because of the villain. It's an interesting villain. And like you said, Disney is such a big part of people's lives and our childhoods. It's what we grow up with. It's, you know, connects us to our family. And maybe was kind of a soft gateway into horror when we were kids because of these scary characters. But yeah.

For sure. Yeah. I mean, I used to love, you know, Legend of Sleepy Hollow. Like Ichobod Crane was such a cute character. And some of the early, like silly skeletons. I'm sure I have the name wrong, but some of the early Disney stuff was really kind of some spooky stuff in there for sure. But you know, there were villains like who's the most evil? I mean, the most vain would be the evil queen. Um you know, Scar, that was bad, dude. But Scar is like the villain who I feel guilty loving. Uh, first of all, I'm just obsessed with Jeremy Irons. I mean, what a voice. To have James Earl Jones and Jeremy Irons in the same movie playing rivals is you're not gonna beat that. That's iconic. Yeah. Um 100%. Yeah, I mean, but it's also like I have mixed feelings because as much as I love Scar and his sassy little attitude problem, I also really love Mufasa. And the fact that he let Simba think that it was his fault, that's pretty messed up, dude. That's pretty evil. But I love Scar so much. But also, Cruella is straight up skinning puppies. That's not really nice either. But she's the most evil to me, for sure. She's pretty evil. That's pretty bad. I don't I I might even give it to Cruella over Scar. I mean Yeah, but I love Cruella. Guts, sassy, sassy fashionista.

Um it's hard to hate her. It is. Hard to hate her.

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I've been watching a lot of romantic comedies lately, so I'm a little on edge. Oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah, I know.

You have a hard time sleeping after that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do, actually. Yeah. Especially when like J Lo is involved or Matthew McConaughey. It's just you know, it's in the same movie. Yeah.

I hate that I know that.

Uh Maiden Manhattan. Well, Jason takes Manhattan, has got nothing on Maiden Manhattan. But you know, the first one that came to my mind was Samahayek's Big Toe and Quentin Tarantino from Dust Till Dawn. What a love story.

I did not think you were gonna say Toe. All I heard was Selmahayek's big, and I'm like, yeah, it's not the first thing you might notice, but my top horror hottie crush is Salmahayek in from Dust Till Dawn.

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. She's on everybody's list.

Yeah, I know that's a pretty basic answer, but like, yeah, but I loved that movie so much, and it just made me so happy. It's just unapologetically weird. And she is definitely the top crush. Like we talked to my friends and we said, you know, like that bar would be where my bachelor party would be.

Oh, a hundred percent. Like that moment when she runs the tequila down her foot in Quentin Tarantino's mouth, he wasn't acting. I think he was fully in that moment of oh my god, oh my god. Like he did that movie just for that scene, and I applaud him for that. Good for you, dude. If Salma Hayek was pouring tequila down her leg and I was there, I'd be like, Yeah, I'd do it too. Fuck it. It's Salma Hayek. Yeah.

I sent that to one of my friends and said, Oh, that's gonna be the bachelor party, and my friend just responded in all caps I will not drink toe tequila. It's like that's my special day, damn it.

Yeah, I don't think anyone's saying no to Salma Hayek anytime ever. Even now.

Even in the vampire form, I was kind of like, I still hit it.

I get it. I can't argue with that.

The 92 horny Dracula.

Horny Dracula?

They're not gonna be a little bit coppola.

Oh, you call it the horny dracula. That's horny dracula, yeah. I was like, I'm sorry, was there one that I missed? What is happening? Oh yeah, that's sexy time for sure.

Yeah, that was an early one, but yeah, horny Dracula.

I think I made the mistake of calling it horny Dracula to him, and now that's that's what he knows it as.

I'll never not call it horny Dracula, obviously. The scariest part of that movie definitely is Keanu Reeves' accent. I mean, bless his heart. But it's Keanu, like we love him. It's okay. We're gonna give him a pass. But gosh, you know, Winona Ryder and Gary Oldman, what a cast. Anthony Hopkins. Oh my god. Even like I the actress, forgive me, I don't remember her name, who plays Lucy is stunning as well. Like it's so good. It's so good.

But it's also like Pete Carrie Elwitz, too. Oh, that's it. Like he popped up in there, and I was like, oh yeah, like that's it's a it's a who's who.

And you were like, as you wish, baby.

I think my brain just went Robin Hood.

Oh, men in tights. Love it. What is the best quote? It's like I've crossed oceans of time of time to find you. Uh shivers.

Yeah, yeah. Like, doesn't matter how old the dude is, he could be you know hundreds of years old. But if a guy says that to you, you're like, oh, where did my pants go? Is that what you say to Adam every night?

Where did my pants go?

Basically, yeah.

That line's going in the vows.

Don't mess with me.

Gomez and morticious. Like, I think that's just a goal.

Yeah. Well, that was my start really into well, it wasn't horrors, it was a sitcom, really. But my dad recorded an eight-hour marathon. Remember when they used to be marathons on like Thanksgiving? My dad recorded it. I might have even been on beta. I'm not even kidding. Like we had a beta player. He might have recorded on beta, but it was the Adams Family sitcom, and I just fell in love with it. I mean, and I mention it in the special. I would consider Carolyn Jones like my horror mother. I found her before I found anyone else. I mean, I was uh intensely enamored by Angelica Houston in The Witches and in everything that she did, of course. But it was Carolyn first. Like even before I saw Vira, it was Carolyn Jones.

Uh Queen.

Queen. Right.

Did you see one of the things I read online was that John Aston was so in love with her at the time. Yeah. And they didn't tell each other until she was dying. And it just, oh, if that doesn't break your heart, tell the people you love them. Like tell them now. I know they were both, I think, married at the time, and we're not condoning that, but it's very heartbreaking. Yeah. Explains why the chemistry was so good. Right?

That was my first love story that I fell in love with for sure.

Yeah, I wouldn't say, yeah, not necessarily, you know, horror, but it's my level of spooky. And I'm okay with that.

The count from Sesame Street, I think, is your level of spooky. If you had a horror mascot, I think it would be him. Although you're wearing a ghost face t-shirt, so I love that you're growing. Yeah, growth.

Constantly evolving, yeah.

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So, Heather, do you have an all-time favorite scary movie?

I mean, I love Barbarian, truly. Barbarian is one of my top and get out. Like, but you know, they're incredible. And as well as the Halloween trilogy, the newer ones. But I do think that I would say Scream. Last summer, I decided to like beat out Scream, which is like, you know, you watch it and just like literally make a note about every single beat, right? And I was blown away. Like I teach people screenwriting, and I was watching that, and like I learned so much just doing this of just Scream. Like it is so smart. There is an emotional shift every literally every three seconds. It's so, so tight and so good. And like watching it through that lens, it made me really appreciate the series more. And I finally, I'd seen all of them except for four. And so I finally just like watched four recently so that I could complete, make sure that I'd seen them all. And four was great too. I mean, like I like I know people like didn't think it was, but it's fucking solid. Yeah.

Four, I think it's isn't it three that maybe people aren't as much of a fan of?

Three, maybe four, I hear. Yeah. Yeah. They're fine, they're they're pretty good, honestly.

I know, but she's great. I actually quite liked four. I w I was okay with four.

Yeah, like four was like a fun, like Emma Roberts. There was that fun, like cousin, cousin Sydney, like you know, that that jealousy. Like that was fun. Yeah. Three feels like a little off the wall, but there's things about it, you know, that work. Carrie Fisher, I mean, you know, there's stuff about it.

True. Oh, Carrie Fisher and anything is a win.

And my wife is in that one too. She plays Jamie Kennedy's little sister, so she likes gives them the yeah.

Oh my goodness, that's right. No, that was like such a good cast. It was such a fun cast. But I feel like they definitely took like a risk with it. It was a different story. And yeah, but I kind of feel like when you get to the third in a series, you kind of have to do something different because it's already been done twice.

Yeah, fair. And Scream 2 was so good that, like, how do you keep that going or go in a different direction?

Yeah, they almost like turned it on its head in such a way, like, we're gonna make so much fun of this. Like now we're in Hollywood making a movie of the story, and the killer is like killing the actors and the people. Like, yeah, it was it was, you know, it's not as scary as the others, it's a bigger world. It's definitely my least favorite of the scream movies for sure. Yeah.

Yeah. And the funny thing is, it's such like a small world sometimes. So now I've been touring a bit with Craig Shoemaker, who played the professor in part two. So I was like, you got to be on a scene with Sarah Michelle Geller. That's so cool. That is so cool.

Yeah. Well, um, oh, I do not like being this close to you, Mr. Ghostface, right? Ghostface?

Yeah, Mr. Face was my father.

Okay. Well, who who is your horror hottie, Ghostface?

Oh, probably one of myself.

I thought that's really cool to know that you broke it down into beats and like emotional transitions. Do you think that it was so tight on the beats and there was so much constant move it forward? Because often, like in comedy, you have to get their attention. Like when you're writing punchlines, you need to get them to laugh every few sentences or they tap out. 100%. Do you think because it was a horror kind of a comedy that that's why the writing was so good? Yeah.

I mean, I think that like, I do think that that's why. And it also just like, I mean, Scream is those characters are all so big. I mean, it's really fucking good. That is the thing with Scream is that because it's making fun of horror movies while it's a horror movie, I feel like there's like two things happening in every given moment. And so it'll be like, you know, intense, joke, intense, joke, you know what I mean? Like, and it's really fucking, it's just, it's really good, you know.

Tension release, tension release.

Yeah. And I watch so specifically with scripts and and with films. Like, I'll you know, I pause it to see at what time within the movie certain things happen. And I mean, the theme is usually supposed to be stated around like minute five. I kid you not, it's like four minutes and like 40-something seconds in. He he says to Casey Becker on the phone. Either he asks, What's her what's her favorite movie at that moment, but I think he actually asked her before that. He asked her before that. It's he corrects her. Um, she gets it, it's something about that. Or he's yeah, he like screams, I I wrote it down. So I'm gonna be looking it up actually.

I'm like, I feel like I know exactly what you're talking about, but I don't know. There were so many good lines in that opening scene. Yes. No, and and we also love that it was kind of bringing back the an element of psycho where you get attached to this the star of the movie. And that's what they get killed.

That's why it was so great. Yes. It was uh 424 or 446. So 424, he says, to see what your insides look like, right? And except four minutes and 46 seconds is really when it says it. He says, Don't you know never to say who's there? That's a death wish. Don't you watch scary movies? So that is like the theme is like this movie is going to be about scary movies.

Right. Like as horror viewers, we know that there are rules to horror, they're kind of typical patterns that we look for. Okay.

But do we only know that because of the movie Scream?

That's what I was just about to say. Like, it was never spelled out for us in such a way, and that is what makes Jamie Kennedy's character so brilliant. Like, that's why we love Randy so much, because we're like, yeah, dude, break it down. You're right. Yeah.

I mean, and they like tell us every fucking like when they're like, Randy says it that Billy's the killer. He's got killer written all over him. He like says it in the video rental store. And like, and then Billy says, Yeah, I'm a you know, he like said like they say it so many times. Like when you're really like tracking it, you're like, fuck man, this is like so yeah.

They just punched us in the face with that. We still didn't believe it.

I know, yeah. I've definitely suspected him more the first time watching it because it's like something about him is just not there. But Stu was the surprise for me for sure. Yeah, that was a great reveal.

Although I will say, what's interesting is that when they're all outside talking about the kills at first outside the school, we do find out that Stu used to date Casey Becker until she like dumped him. So there were like these little seeds that were planted. But the thing about Stu is that he was so insensitive. If you really watched, he was like so insensitive, which is ultimately why he's doing it, right? Because he's very much just like, he's just kind of psychotic. Whereas Billy had like a trauma with his dad and Sydney's mom. And so He he wanted revenge in a way. But yeah, it really is so great when he spells it out. And they do, they tell us everything. But Bonnie, so when you first saw it though, when Billy like gets killed, did you believe it?

For a second, I was a sixth grade girl. Yeah. I was like, oh my God, this is crazy. Like we rented it from the video store. Yeah, because it was a great fake out. Like my parents let me pretty much watch almost anything growing up, including horror movies. But then I would get scared. Like there were episodes of the X-Files that absolutely scared the crap out of me. I know it's not a horror movie, but like there were some episodes that even still give me the heebie jeebies. But yeah, so we rented it from the video store and we were watching it. And I was like, my parents are cool, like letting me watch this and have a sleepover. This is great. But when they show them get stabbed, you're like, ah, well, then it can't be him. But like a good, it's just so smart. And it's such a good gateway film into horror. Like my fiance did not like horror when we started dating, and I was like, oh buddy, like if you want to just give it a try. And that was his gateway, and now he's getting more into it. But he loves the scream movies because they're so smart and have elements of humor that you two were talking about. Yeah. Yeah. How did you get started in the world of horror? What was your entry point besides me? Am I an entry point?

Oh, funny. You went there. I thought it you thought everybody thought it.

Yeah, my uh my entry point was the scream.

I have a name, sir. Sorry, go ahead.

Yeah, it was uh featuring the first husbands of horror, Stu and Billy. That was my entry point. And I feel like the meta aspect was appealing to me because I was like, okay, it's not all that scary, and plus Ghostface is just kind of a silly guy. Like something about him like tripping over everything as he runs down the hallway. I think that's what I found with with horror. I'm like, as long as I can just be like, oh, he's just a silly little guy, then I can kind of get through it. Similar to Art the Clown. He's a silly guy.

Who is not silly enough for you to get through the film?

It's tough because it's like I can get through Halloween Annabelle. Annabelle is not silly. She is terrifying.

Oh, she's a delight.

I just can't do possessed things. Like as a kid, Slappy from Goosebumps was too much. And then my grandpa got me a Bozo the clown dummy, thinking that was a fun present.

Bozo the clown.

Yeah. It lived in the basement forever, and I don't know where it is now. But I'm just expecting to like roll over in bed and it's just there.

So it's funny because not one but two stories have come recently about Bozo the Clown. I'm on a text thread with like a bunch of us that do whore nerd and uh just kind of nerds that we go to all the haunts together, and Dana Gould is on it. And Dana was telling us a story. He's like, You guys, I'm in Chicago, and I'm in Bozo's dressing room, and it's a big deal, and there's original paintings and his costume, and they really wanted me to go into this room, and he was having a great time, sent us pictures. We were like, wow, this is crazy. And then the other day, I had the absolute joy and pleasure of getting to host for Patrick Warburton. God damn, he is so funny and cool as fuck. My Disney nerd completely came out. As soon as I met him, I walked him. Hey Patrick, nice to meet you. I'm Samantha. I'm your host for tonight. Uh also I'm so sorry. I'm just gonna get this out of the way. You're Kronk! And then he just started doing the voice immediately. And during his set, he told a story about the Bozo the Clown dressing room as well. So I guess Bozo gets around.

Yeah, that was uh when I was a kid, one of these core memories. Uh my parents took me to a taping. So I got to see the Bozo the Clown show.

So Oh my god, did you feel like Bart Simpson getting to go see the Rusty?

I really did. And I I except I was really mad because I thought for some reason I assumed I was gonna get to do the Bozo Buckets grand prize game thing, and that I just didn't get picked, and so that's been eating away at me for decades.

That's your village villain origin story. I almost said your villager origin story, like you're one of the members of the village people or something. I don't know. I think I know who your favorite ghost face is. You already said it.

You already said that you are what? Salty! Team baby tall. T I was like what a bitch? I don't know. Tell me again. I am obsessed with Lori Matt Calf. I think she's I don't think she's underrated at all. I think people realize how fucking great she is. And uh that what a fun surprise. And you know what? It wasn't the boyfriend. So I'm all for pro-women. Yes, women can be ghost space too.

We've gotten some good love stories from horror movies. I mean, I think my favorite couple from a horror movie has gotta be Dewey and Gail from Scream.

Adorable. That's a good one. That's definitely a good one.

I think David Arquette, like older with the gray and maybe a little bit traumatized. I don't know, that did it for me in Scream 5.

Yeah, I can see that. He seemed like he was less like, I'm deputy Dewey versus more like, hey, I've been through some shit and I see things differently. Yeah, I could definitely agree with that.

Yeah, yeah. See, that's where my therapist failed me. Was like, I can fix him. He's been through it. Gail Weathers could fight me though, and she would probably win.

So she's tough. She's pretty tough.

That's my girl.

Yeah, she made it pretty far. I gotta give her that.

So, Adam, who's your favorite horror couple or favorite killer couple? It can be from from the movies that you have seen. Yeah, the media that you have seen.

We can go Billy and Stu because I love that.

Oh, by the way, speaking of uh Stu and Billy, I have a bit where I say I want to cross over a series where iconic killers from horror films play iconic Disney characters. And I just want the world to know that the very obvious one would be Billy and Stu would be Gaston and Le Fou because they clearly want to smash. Just do it. It'd be super great, delightful, fantastic. Yeah, that makes sense.

That is my favorite movie, and I think that is a 100% completely accurate crossover description of the two of them? Absolutely. Didn't you say something like one is absolutely a bottom or something? It was something like that, but it had me cracking up.

I definitely might have, which is clearly uh guest on El Fu. Yeah. I just think first husbands of horror, first husbands of Disney, it's a delight. Why not? Yeah, yeah. I thought so.

I love Billy and Stu. I do. Because you know, it wasn't always a duo that was doing it. And like we suspected Billy, right? Because it's always the boyfriend. We suspected him, but then there's that red herring. We're like, it couldn't be him, but then Stu, we didn't see that coming.

No, we didn't see Stu coming at all. Yeah, yeah. I think that Billy may have seen Stu coming at some point. Oh sorry, we love them and they're iconic, and we all want to go to their wedding.

Yeah. One of my favorite moments in horror films is Billy Loomis quoting Norman Bates. I mean, that's kind of a cool time.

We all got like that. When we watched Scream 2, I was really disappointed. Um literally.

Um, I know what you did last summer.

I just yeah, I thought I thought she was gonna pull through. Like I thought she was gonna make it.

Justice for Helen shit.

Yeah.

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The origin of my friends making fun of me for not liking horror was the Baba Duke. Because apparently we watched the movie. I got through about 20 minutes of it, I didn't say anything. I was on my phone, and then I just get up and go, There's my Uber, and then I go home because I didn't want to finish it. And then my roommates came back a couple hours later and found every light on in the apartment. I was in bed. Every light on, every closet door was open. Like I cleared every room like a navy seal.

What did you two feel about the new Halloween series?

Actually, I'm gonna go out on a limb, and a lot of people will not agree with me, but I loved Halloween series. Yes, yeah. I was looking at it like, yes, let's dive into the psychological aftermath of Lori. This has been her entire life. Life, yeah. This is going to affect her. This is gonna affect her relationships, this is gonna affect her ability to trust, to have a partner, to have a connection with her family, because there's probably so much guilt there of everyone I love gets killed. I can't be close to them, but I have to protect them. And you know, Alison, her granddaughter, finally was like, Okay, you actually you're not crazy. Like, we should have believed you. There's almost a believe women kind of like there is, yeah. I love the element of someone with a lot of trauma looking for love and trying to connect and feeling like here's this outsider, I want to connect with him. And so that was like extra tragic that he wound up being who he was in that film.

Even just um I had forgotten about that storyline until you just mentioned it. What's wonderful about that, I feel, is that it's about generational trauma. She was attracted to the bad man, you know? Yeah. So the depth that they went to with Michael Myers and with this saga is so excellent in that, yes, it deals with generational trauma, it deals with trauma in general. But also I love how they essentially were able to wrap Michael Myers up in terms of a metaphor of fear, right? That like he is just what you most fear plagues you. And so her whole life she thought he was after her when he really just wanted to go home. And so her fear and everyone else's fear made it more real, made it happen again, made it, you know, get bigger and bigger.

I thought to do a radio kind of press tour at 6 a.m. on Halloween, which was bananas. I was like, oh, you want me to be funny at 6 a.m.? I got this. I can do it. And of course, the very first interview, this guy, very sweet, but I don't know if he was if he was like a huge horror fan per se. And he's like, Yeah, we had Michael Myers on the show. And I'm like, oh, you had Nick Castle? No, who's Nick Castle? Like he had no idea. And because I was so tired, my brain wasn't like, oh hey girl, there were there was more than one stunt man that played Michael. I was too tired for my brain. And I was like, I don't know, uh, I don't know how to dang it. I sound like a dum dum right now because I don't know what he's talking about. And then it dawned on me, oh my god, he meant Tony Moran.

Ah Oh, I just would have guessed that he thought Mike Myers, but okay. I was like, the love guru at 6 a.m. At the love guru? At 6 a.m. Austin Powers? Why not? Yeah, my pumpkin spice coffee was not working yet. At the end of the second one, he was like, Well, you know, art has a limit. Like, he's not gonna kill kids.

And I was uh welcome to the third one, bitch.

He was not happy about that.

That was that was the other thing. I think because they knew, okay, we have to outdo ourselves. I think they broke a lot of unwritten rules, which is you know, you don't really see a lot of kids getting hurt by these killers. Nor the like even Michael Moore, uh, Michael, Michael Moore, Jesus. Michael Moore.

Michael Moore talks about people with social.

True. But Michael Myers, like I think it was, was it the new I think it was either Halloween, I don't think it was Kills or Ends. I think it was the newest new one. Yeah, he left the baby, right? There was this crying baby and he left the baby.

Yeah, he snapped the the 12 or 13-year-old kid's neck in the car with his dad when the uh prison bus. Remember that?

Oh, yeah. That's because 13-year-old boys are assholes. That's fair.

Oh, no, not this one. All the kid wanted to do was dance.

On weekends I'll do it with you, Dad. Like, I really love spending time with you, but right now dancing is my thing, you know, and it really hits me in the heart. Um, you didn't want to go hunting.

Okay, so maybe principle.

So Michael Myers and Footloose got together.

Ah. Well, you know, maybe all of these horrible slashers are just realizing I have to be an equal opportunist. I can't just go after the this kind of person. I go to go to after everybody, or people are gonna think that I'm uh Yeah, because kids grow up and become adults.

That kids are killed by Michael Myers or art. So they're just really they're thinking long term.

Yeah, yeah, obviously. Yeah. But I did like there was, you know, there was that little bit of social commentary with the blonde girl, the girlfriend with the podcast, who's like, I just want to know what it feels like to look into their eyes and to be that close. Well, you're a fucking idiot. Like, if that's you know, it's like the women who showed up at the Ramirez trial. What what the hell do you think he's gonna do to you? You're not special.

Like that is a thing. That is very much a thing.

Right. Right.

Big and then this is not kink shaming. This goes beyond that.

That's not, yeah. This is this is these are no, like, and this is obviously like true crime, is much more of a a deeper conversation than art, but I do think that there was some nice commentary there of like, okay, look, bitch, here I am. Now you're gonna die. Like, what did you think was gonna happen?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Um that was brilliantly done. And like watching that and we're like, oh, oh, yeah, oh, they're saying it without saying it. Yeah, they sure are.

Uh-huh. Yeah. When he like her wish, she got her wish and he like made her look him right into the eye to look into his soul. And then he laughed at her. It's like, well, what do you, yeah, what did you expect? But because that that was a good scene where she's asking Sienna for will you be on my podcast? This woman just lost her family and is barely so fuck off with your podcast, you know.

How am I coping? How am I coping? And she talks about it. I was like, Yeah, let her have it. Yeah, that's exactly it.

Like, right, it's exactly predatory journalism.

Yeah, yeah. By the way, my favorite art the clown gesture was probably when he was he took over for Santa Claus in the mall and security card is trying to kick him out, and he just crosses his legs and rolls his eyes. Me and Isaac both busted out laughing. That was my favorite part of the movie.

Yeah, I love that. I love how they did they did give David Howard Thornton, like, go with it. Just beat you.

Um, what are some of our favorite old school classics? Oh my god.

I saw so many winks and nods in this movie to other ones.

Oh, oh, obviously, when he burst through the white door, it was very here's Johnny. And then I also thought the the window in the basement that was an Amityville horror window, the way that it was shaped. I'm like, that's very amity, which I enjoyed.

I mean, for uh for an entire production based out of New York City, they had to Amityville.

Totally.

Yeah, the cool part is um just uh a little more background in the Terrifier crew. So you got Damian Leody, you got Phil Falcone, and then you've got the folks at Fuzz and the Lens Productions, who I've known for a few years. I had a chance to be in Terrifier 2 and I couldn't make it. They invited me down to be in the uh the club scene. Remember when she's her friend Roof Eater in part two? Yeah, I was supposed to be at the party.

Oh tombstone Tony on your actual tombstone, it's gonna say couldn't make it to the set of Terrifier 2, never got over it.

Couldn't make it to Terrifier 2.

Terrifier 2. Tombstone Tony and Terrifier 2.

Yeah, I think I uh my my boyfriend Isaac, he's so sweet and lovely and watches all these movies. And it seems like there have just been a ton of horror films that have come out into the theaters, so he's been very graciously going with me, you know. And I try to be like, okay, I need to watch one of his movies. I need to watch one of my girlfriends.

Yeah, what are his movies?

What are his movies though?

Like his I his a horror film that he likes is uh The Lighthouse, if you've seen that. Okay. Um very artistic, weird, off the hour. Loves that film. Um, but yeah, no, he's he's he's really about like people and relationships and kind of that quirky humor.

Did you see the original speak no evil, the Danish version?

No, I didn't.

He would probably like that, and you would probably like that. So I'm gonna throw that out as a recommendation. No, it's mostly in English. It's mostly in English, but it's like it's it's an art film, but it's scary as fuck.

Yeah, he would like that. He's into that. He likes depth, you know. He has there's a lot of depth to him. And I think I really owe him a lot for Terrifier 3. I think I lost like, fuck you, I'm done. But like I don't blame him. That it that one was pretty brutal. I don't know. Have you you I did, I saw it.

Yeah, yeah. I did see it. Yeah, very, very, yeah, but I mean, all I mean, those movies are so well made and for low budget, so I'm I'm like so impressed with the terrifier franchise.

Yeah, and we're like mega fans of David Howard Thornton, yeah, as a human being, even he's just so great, he's so good. Yeah, so I was like, I'm watching it for him, and I'm watching it because you go for it. We love it. But ooh, buddy, the scene with the rat and the throat.

Yeah, that was gnarly.

That was gnarly. I'm like, why did we need this? Yeah, yeah. Almost kind of cringed more at the sidekick, the new the female demon. She really creeped me out. Yeah. I almost was like, just go back to Art the Cloud.

Sure, yeah, yeah, 100%. 100%.

At least he smiles, he's fun.

And so you're talking about, yeah, I mean silly guy. Yeah, but they did bring in like somebody else, and I think that that is because the first one was just a short film collection. Yeah, yeah. And so really the number two is the first real terrifier movie. But yeah, they did, they brought in somebody else in Terrifier 3, which was so interesting, and they're just they're well done.

I was thinking about this when we were talking about it. You're kind of like the crypt keeper, but hot. But like hot. And like he's funny, right? Incredible host, hilarious. You're just like a hot version, and I love that for you. I'll pay you later. Thanks, boo. That one's on the house, baby.

I'm catching up to him in Ringo. I'm getting there, girl.

Don't talk about my friend like that.

Okay. Yeah, I mean, that's kind of I mean, I still get the question: what is Horner? You're a horror comic, what does that mean? And I'm like, that is a good question. Uh, I think this is what it means. This is what I do anyway. So yeah, I'm I'm I'm a real life crypt keeper. I'm just gonna start seeing that and just let them figure it out. And if they get it, I'll be like, you're your family, your fan bam. If they don't get it, all right, I'll explain it to you, and then you can come hang out with us. Yeah. Yeah, lovely. Yeah, no, I'm going with that.

That honestly is an incredibly cool way to introduce yourself, but then you have to crack like a funny pun after that, too. You have to say something, you know, like, I've got all these comics here and they're just dying to meet you. You know, like, do I attempt to do the laugh?

I don't know. I've never I've literally never tried it before. But it was like, it's not bad.

That's pretty good. That's pretty good.

That's gonna be my text message alert for when you send me a text message. We've been really into the the 28 years later. We just saw Bone Temple. Have you guys seen it? Man, go see it. It's pretty rad. Yep, I said rad. It's really fun. It's one of those fun movies, and it's a good time. It's honestly really, really well done, really fun. So I don't want to give any spoiler alerts. Yes, there is still a lot of zombie dong. That thing that still tracks. Um yeah, I don't know if you saw the one before it, but lots of that. But it's fun! Who doesn't like it?

Who doesn't like zombie dong? Yeah, I know. Yeah, the nerds, they got Donkey Kong, we get zombie dong.

Well, I mean, I would say Margaret White, or definitely Carrie's mom, like the idea, the concept, the fear of sin drove her insane. Of course.

Yeah, I think if she was, you know, she would have been one of the mutants in the X-Men, or she would have been drafted to that school away from all those assholes at her high school, and they would have been like, Here, levitate this thing, Carrie White. Like Professor X would have been like, You can do this, Carrie. Like, it would have been a whole thing. She would have been loved there. But no, she went to that asshole high school and they did that to her. I maintain that they did that to her. She didn't have the madness like her mom. And you know, if she had access to therapy, I don't think she would have been as like, I don't know, maybe she wouldn't have been that's a good question.

But what care about now if she had health care? Um I don't know. Possibly. I mean, you know, the greatest thing about therapy is they give you tools, you know, to work with bullying.

So Sam, I know you're fresh off of Terrifier 3, but for you, what are your couple of your favorite holiday movies?

So, you know, we gotta give a shout out to Gremlins in Misery, but those are not it for me. It's actually Jack Frost. Oh yeah, I stand by it. I'm going full camp. I don't give a shit. I mean, how does it? So it's kind of a similar Chucky story where a serial killer, so he dies in a car crash and then his spirit goes into a snowman and he wants to take revenge against the sheriff who, you know, turned him in and the town. But it's like so fucking cheesy. Like, I think he kills a naked girl with a carrot at some point and he's in the shower all of a sudden it's like, how? What is what is happening? And I think Shannon Elizabeth is in it. It's so fucking cheesy. And the thing is, my mom was not a horror fan, really, but we just loved this movie. We thought it was the funniest goddamn thing ever. We watched it every time and laughed our asses off. We were rooting for an evil snowman. Um, but the thing is, that's not actually the scary Jack Frost. The scary Jack Frost is a Michael Keaton movie where it's the same situation, except he plays a deadbeat dad and he dies in a car accident. His son makes a wish on a magical harmonica and he comes back as a snowman and they play hockey, and that's the whole fucking movie.

Like see, when you started this off, I think You thought I meant that one. Yeah, because Michael Keaton toupee in that was brutal.

Yeah, uh no. I love Michael Keaton so much. Like that man is insanely incredible. I love him. However, choices like why that movie? Why?

Yeah. I want to ask you, have you seen When a Stranger Calls Back?

No, I don't think I have. No.

It kind of has the feel of the first Halloween movie. It's the sequel after everything happens. Okay. The the new Halloween movie. Right, right. And you know, it's Carol Kane and she's older, and like what would happen after that? Yeah. It's really that is probably one I've seen more than the original. Okay.

And then it's my list. Yeah.

Yeah. There's some parts in it that are exceptionally creepy. Like that one spooked me for a long time. I saw it as a teenager when I was babysitting. Great. Uh great time to watch. But it's like it takes place years after the original film, and it has a lot of similarities to the 2018 Halloween movie in that sense of you have this character who went through this really traumatic thing. How did she process that movie? She's just like haunted by it. Yeah. Exactly. And it's Carol Kane and God, she's amazing. So it if you it's I don't even know if it's streaming anywhere, but like there are exceptionally creepy parts in it that like I think about them and I'm like, like it still creeps me out.

I'm also gonna throw in Deliver Us from Evil with Eric Banna and Joel McHale. Okay. I mean they were great. Joel McHale provides this really funny comic relief and such a like you know heavy script. But the actors who played the people who became possessed were some of the best I've ever seen. The lead guy that plays the main guy who's possessed by the demon, like he's incredible. Incredible. I forgive me, I don't know his name, but we'll put it in the show notes.

One of the scariest, like the most I'm on the edge of my seat, is Saw. And I think that's my favorite horror movie, actually, is the original, the first Saw. My mind was blown after watching it. Like when the guy gets up at the end in the middle, and you're just like, like it's just it's so sick and so twisted, but like, I mean, what they did with like two people in a room, it was just smart. And I think like when I first like it's one that like I watched again not too long ago, and I was just like, fuck man, this is just a tight movie.

It's pretty amazing to have two characters, yeah, and to have that carry the entire film. I mean, that's that's not easy. That's impressive.

Yeah. Until next time, nerds.

I'll be right back.

Bye, nerds!

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